September 2, 2007
This summer, I reread Bruce Pirie’s Reshaping High School English. Oddly enough, when this book came it out it wasn’t one that had all the kids lined up around the block at midnight to get a hold of it. Nobody dresses up like Bruce Pirie (at least as far as I know), nor are there Bruce Pirie fan clubs.
Maybe we ought to rethink that. Below are the parts of the book that absolutely sent me, in the Sam Cooke sense of the word.
One way of clearing space is by being cautious about serving up theory first, before students have had a chance to see what they can make of experience. If we tell students, “Here’s how short stories are structured,” or “Here are five figures of speech,” then send them on a mission to analyze stories in those terms or to find examples of metaphors, we effectively limit students to making their experience fit our structures. This is not the same as making sense of things themselves–encountering the text and seeing what grows out of that transaction…The point is not that we should hide literary labels from students; we should let identification grow naturally out of the meaning-making processes of the reader, rather than beginning with lists of terms and drills in the hunting and labeling of metaphors. (69)
Right on, isn’t it? Now check this out:
What does the five-paragraph essay teach about writing? It teaches that there are rules, and that those rules take the shape of a preordained form, like a cookie-cutter, into which we can pour ideas and expect them to come out well-shaped. In effect, the student is told, “You don’t have to worry about finding a form for your ideas; here’s one already made for you.” This kind of instruction sends a perversely mixed message. On the one hand, it makes structure all-important, because students will be judged on how well they have mastered the form. On the other hand, it implies that structure can’t be very important: it clearly doesn’t have any inherent relationship to ideas, since just about any idea can be stuffed into the same form…
Structure isn’t an all-purpose predesigned add-on. Ideas don’t come neatly packaged in sets of threes…[i]ndeed, the most common symptom of five-paragraph essay writing is the student’s heavy-handed attempt to make unwilling material fit those three obligatory body paragraphs…like Cinderella’s sisters trying to squeeze their toes into someone else’s shoe…
[A defender of the five-paragraph essay] is angry because she sees criticism of the five-paragraph formula as a wrong-headed attack on structure by theorists who think students should just spill their thoughts onto the page. I, on the other hand, am criticizing the formula because I do think structure–or rather, structuring–is such an important part of writing. It is so important that you’re not really writing unless you are doing it…(76-78)
Thoughts? Fire away. I’m sure this post’ll be revised as I think more about it, but I wanted to get these quotes up.
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This, I think, is what we should be giving our students. The Cal State L.A. Writing Center has some good information about what a “college-level” essay is and isn’t. I understand that 10th graders aren’t in college, but aren’t we supposed to be preparing them?
How many paragraphs you have depends on the nature of your ideas and how much you have to say.
I think this page here would make a very useful handout for high school students with any sort of basic writing skills.
Then, of course, is the kind of advice you find on the About.com page on How to Write a Five-Paragraph Essay. Grace Fleming, About’s guide to Homework/Study Tips, dispenses this kind of advice (emphasis mine):
Luckily, you can learn to craft a great essay if you can follow the standard pattern and write in a clear and organized manner.
I have no problem with clear and organized writing, but the standard pattern makes no sense here. Especially because in the paragraph before, Fleming’s just written that “essays play a big role in the college application process, as well.” I don’t think there are any college admissions folks in the bless’d world who’d want a five-paragraph essay from an applicant.
At the end of her piece, Fleming gives us this gem:
You might find that the supporting paragraphs are strong, but they don’t address the exact focus of your thesis. Simply re-write your thesis sentence to fit your body and summary more exactly.
Which is where I start beating my head against the wall. Because a thesis is supposed to be the thing you prove by providing three well-reasoned and well-supported paragraphs. But if what you write doesn’t support your thesis, you just change your thesis to make it fit. Then you’ve got a tight paper that is unassailable by the teacher, and you’re good to go, except you’ve just written something that, by definition, doesn’t really reflect what you believe.
I’m getting my first student writing samples this week. I’m very curious to see how many of them immediately jump into the five-paragraph mode, and how many will pick up on the fact that nowhere in the assignment do I even hint that that’s what I’m looking for.
September 2nd, 2007 at 8:38 pm
Hmm… I’m pretty much with Pirie in the first segment, but I’m still mulling over the second. Since I haven’t read Pirie, I don’t feel too dumb asking this: how does he suggest teaching structure? Is it left to the budding writer to develop for oneself? I’m not a super-strict adherent to the five-paragraph (5P) structure, but I have found the general concept helpful in getting my younger students (10th grade) to a) organize their thoughts clearly, and b) develop ideas & arguments more or less evenly.
Does it have to be one or the other? Maybe the 5P structure can act as “training wheels” that can be phased out? I think I’ve always presented the 5P structure not as the be-all end-all that Pirie describes, but rather as a solid guideline for writers finding their voice that can be molded and adapted as they develop.
September 2nd, 2007 at 8:44 pm
PS – I never call it the 5P format to my students. I prefer “three topic format” – Pirie would probably still disapprove, but at least my literal-minded sophomores have stopped writing page-plus “paragraphs”.
September 2nd, 2007 at 9:21 pm
The thing with the “training wheels” idea is that training wheels aren’t that helpful. Pirie’s got something on it (of course):
He goes on to discuss paint-by-numbers pictures as well.
Look, I’m not sure how to teach structure, or if it’s even possible to do so without the 5P template (or something similar), but I do know that there’s very little to the 5P-esque assignment that strikes me as the kind of writing that anyone would want to read. It’s artificial, it rarely fits what we’re really asking students to do, and by the time I get 10th graders they’re often so used to everything following the rules of three (three body paragraphs, three supporting details in each, etc) that when they have four ideas, or two, or more or less than that, they don’t know what to do.
I like the idea of telling students they can’t use that structure, but they still have to find a way to make their essays make sense. I’ve given assignments that have students come up with genuine questions that they can’t definitively answer, and try to answer that question in two or three or four different ways. It makes for interesting reading.
Students struggle when we don’t give them set structures, but I’d be a lousy former undergrad marxist if I didn’t say that out of struggle comes clarity.
September 3rd, 2007 at 10:29 pm
See? That’s why I’m going to miss hanging out at the conference in November: I’m amused by things like Sam Cooke references and Pirie costumes.
Mind you, I’m not familiar with Pirie, but I do like these ideas. However, I too am a little shy of these rebellious notions. I’m just afraid that the students I had when I WAS an English teacher would A) never have gotten around to asking the right questions that would lead them to discover the literary tricks and their beauty and B) would never be able to explain themselves clearly without the “training wheels.”
Perhaps if I joined the club and read Pirie’s book I’d get how it worked, or perhaps he overestimates Tobaccoland kiddos who have to take the 10th grade writing test.
September 4th, 2007 at 5:29 am
I’m not sure what’s “rebellious” about it. “Don’t be fatuous, Jeffrey,” you say (especially if you’re Maude Lebowski), but I’m serious. I don’t understand why we’ve gotten to this point where we mandate specific ways of structuring responses that don’t make much sense with the way people think.
Seriously. Read anything written by a “real” writer–an essayist, a reviewer, a columnist–and tell me if they follow The Structure: Thesis statement is the last sentence of the introductory paragraph; each of the three or four body paragraphs has a main point with three supporting details, some supported by quotes; the conclusion restates the thesis and leaves the reader with a question.
Come on. Find me some. Did E.B. White do it? How about Thoreau? Does Rick Reilly? Maureen Dowd? Dave Barry?
Now, of course our students aren’t E. B. White. But what in tarnation (that’s for you, Laura) are we teaching them to do? Fill in forms or write? I don’t buy that student-determined structures will make 10th graders do poorly on state exams. I think if they’re started on that path now, by the time the exams roll around they’ll be comfortable enough to knock it out. Also, students who can come up with their own appropriate writing structures will a) be able to switch to whichever structures their less enlightened other teachers/state institutions insist on and b) will better understand the strengths and weaknesses of the various options they have.
Of course, I could be entirely wrong. But I’m continuing the experiment.
September 4th, 2007 at 4:18 pm
It’s just that my kids were always so lost as to where to start that, without the training wheels, I had pretty much nowhere to start them either! And if I didn’t require a certain number of examples, they would give none (or give fatuous, nay, even vacuous ones).
The thing is, I like the idea of it all, but I never could figure out how to get it to transfer to my precious bumpkins, so it could send them too. Which is probably why they never got the highest possible score on the NC writing test…
Eh. I’m a Spanish teacher now.
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September 7th, 2007 at 7:52 pm
Hey Jeff – I had a look at the Cal State link you posted, and am confused – what’s the difference between that and the 5P format, other than not locking oneself into 5 paragraphs? Isn’t the main idea still A) Introduce main topic, leading to a thesis statement, B) Develop supporting ideas with cited evidence, and C) reinforce main idea, establish closure?
This looks awfully similar to what I’ve been teaching my youngsters, but I still consider it to be in the 5P/3-Topic vein because, well, it’s almost the same, except I tell my kids not to lock themselves into 5 paragraphs (see my first comment re: teaching the “general concept”).
Maybe we’re saying the same thing in different ways (separated by a common language?). At any rate, thanks for posting the additional info. While the Cal State handout didn’t tell me anything I didn’t know, it did give me some ideas for how I can present the information differently.
PS – Unrelated note re: the “On Notice” board – Totally, totally with you on “that’s so gay” – fries me every time I hear it, and fries me even more when kids don’t get why it’s hurtful, even after I explain it to them calmly. We actually devote a fair amount of time talking about the use of “gay” as a pejorative in my Multicultural Studies class; happily, I see a lot of kids get it in that context.
September 9th, 2007 at 6:33 am
Damian,
Yeah, I’m looking at that Cal State thing again (more carefully/with more sleep) and realizing it’s not what I thought it was at first. It’s definitely one of the better how-to-write-a-5isP-essay pieces out there, but it’s not going to help move students beyond this kind of writing.
Maybe I’m fighting an impossible revolution here. I keep thinking that it’d be much easier for me and my students and my colleagues, who I harangue on a regular basis, if I’d just admit that the 5ishP essay is the best way to teach kids how to write effective and organized essays.
What if I grant that and then move on to the position that essays themselves might not be worth teaching? Because who ever has to write an essay once they’re out of school? I wonder, sometimes, if we’re teaching the English/Social Studies equivalent of pinch pots.
September 9th, 2007 at 12:52 pm
The sentiment in your last paragraph is one I’m feeling a little more this year. After a lot of consideration (and with the blessing of my boss), I’ve replaced one of the essays in my English II class with a long-term research project (wiki). I still feel like I’m teaching the skills (research, effective communication, organization, presentation), but in a slightly more authentic manner.
September 11th, 2007 at 10:09 am
Amen!
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